>> you get periods where democrats are ascendant technologically and karl rove and those guys, and it sways back and forth. boy, republicans apart from having to come up with a message that appeals to the new emerging electoral coalition, they'll have to figure out how to modernize their basic inf infrastructure, because man, we are rapidly hurtling toward a new world that they are still caught in the past. >> can you believe how bad the last two republican campaigns have been for president? how badly run they have been? >> well, you know, yes. i think yes, both of them had significant flaws. but you know, just to drive this point home -- >> by the way, that starts at the top. >> it does. >> it starts at the top. >> in the end, the candidate is ultimately responsible for his campaign and the blame or credit should rest with the candidate. the story that blew my mind yesterday was the story about the fact that somehow the obama campaign managed to increase african-american turnout in ohio from 11% in 2008 to 15% in 2012. the country, african-americans are exactly the same, 13% in 2008